Monday, June 19, 2006

The Trouble with Modernity

The trouble with modernity is that involves too much talking. Eventually talking must stop and an answer must come, but modernity seems not to have grasped this. Let's take some case studies...

I don't mean to keep beating up the Canadians, but they seem to still be under the impression that Islam will embrace Canadian ideals if they (Canadians) keep explaining notions of pluralism. Good luck. Your vocal chords will tire long before the Moores see it your way. Next, the Episcopal Church has taken the next step toward never re-unifying with Rome and probably blowing apart the Anglican Communion by electing a woman bishop as head of itself. They explained that they are to be a witness to the rest of Anglicanism and will help in the re-interpreting process of doctrine and tradition. Yep, you guessed it. Let's keep talking because if you say it enough times it must be true. Well, my friends, there are some absolutes in the world. If you don't believe me then touch some water; it's wet. Look at the sky; it's blue. If you get punched; it will hurt.

Of course we could just keep talking...

7 Comments:

Blogger Gaius Germanicus said...

There are only two activities in interpesonal relations:
communication and action (even an ommission is an act).
Therefore, if we arn't talking we are acting.
The act of ignoring the situation usually only leads to more miscommunication if you must deal with the other individual or group.
I would posit that the most common act in the absence of communication is aggression.
Would you rather fight, ignore the elepahant in the room or talk?

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 4:25:00 PM  
Blogger Erasmus said...

I am not against talking, nor am I totally against modernity. Let me clarify...

One must talk to clarify a position, but at some point the talking must end because some kind of resolution has come forward. Then it is time to act, and that act may involve "removing the gangerous limb" that will destroy society. If you just keep talking the the gangerous limb will keep growing and destroy the whole body. The principles of modernity have devolved to the point everyone just talks and they think they are getting somewhere, but instead they are allowing themeselves to be killed slowly.

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:07:00 PM  
Blogger Raindear said...

I think there is another factor making the "talk" of modernity more fruitless than otherwise. We don't have a shared set of first principles. America does not even have a shared "culture" in the usual sense. As Chesterton points out in "What I Saw in America," the United States tries to nationalize the international. The problem is that you cannot even begin to have a rational discussion without some basis of agreement. Try arguing with a person denies the principle of non-contradition or the existence of the soul. It's a disaster!

Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:08:00 PM  
Blogger Scheherazade said...

Oh, Erasmus. Your premise spoils the art of diplomacy--which does have its attributes (the U.N. notwithstanding).

Perhaps that's partly your point? The art of talking blinds us to facing/accepting/acquiescing to reality? I'm still not too sure.

And do wonder what tipped you off so? Not just the Canadians, but an entire movement.

And didn't we shift into the postmodern back in the eighties?;-)

Thursday, June 22, 2006 3:17:00 PM  
Blogger Scheherazade said...

Oh, Erasmus. Your premise spoils the art of diplomacy--which does have its attributes (the U.N. notwithstanding).

Perhaps that's partly your point? The art of talking blinds us to facing/accepting/acquiescing to reality? I'm still not too sure.

And do wonder what tipped you off so? Not just the Canadians, but an entire movement.

And didn't we shift into the postmodern back in the eighties?;-)

Thursday, June 22, 2006 3:18:00 PM  
Blogger deepsat said...

communication & talking is pretty much the same. when both doesnt make sense then its nonsense! sometimes its left to people to make sense out of nonsense!! everything is imp.... afterall its not the answer that drives us... but rather its the QUESTION!! :-)))

Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:56:00 PM  
Blogger Erasmus said...

To make my final comment on this topic I will give one last point of clarification. The modernity that I am speaking of has a greater impact on theological discourse even though it is noticed in other venues. It did stop the wars of religion in Reformation Europe, but both sides came to agree to disagree and nations were divided on religious lines. At least people still stood for something. Now we have devolved to no one standing for anything.

Sunday, June 25, 2006 9:34:00 PM  

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